This package was debianized by Yasuhiro Take on Fri, 1 Dec 2000 19:26:17 +0900. It was downloaded from ftp://ftp.oreilly.com/pub/examples/nutshell/ujip/adobe/ag15.tar.Z Upstream Author: Adobe Systems Incorporated. Copyright: Every CMap file includes The following copyright notice. ------------------------------------------------------------------ All Rights Reserved. Patents Pending NOTICE: All information contained herein is the property of Adobe Systems Incorporated. Permission is granted for redistribution of this file provided this copyright notice is maintained intact and that the contents of this file are not altered in any way from its original form. PostScript and Display PostScript are trademarks of Adobe Systems Incorporated which may be registered in certain jurisdictions. --------------------------------------------------------------- I've consulted debian-legal to make sure that Debian is able to redistribute these files through ftp mirrors. Following is a series of mails on the list related to the issue. Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 19:13:24 +0900 From: Yasuhiro TAKE To: debian-legal@lists.debian.org Cc: take@debian.org Subject: LICENSE of Adobe CMap files. User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.3.0 (Roam) WEMIKO/1.14.0 (Zoomastigophora) FLIM/1.13.2 (Kasanui) APEL/10.2 Emacs/20.7 (i386-debian-linux-gnu) MULE/4.1 (AOI) MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by WEMIKO 1.14.0 - "Zoomastigophora") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Message-Id: Sender: ytake@phys2.med.osaka-u.ac.jp X-UIDL: 7d6ffe01a7292c6c276d462fb4aed41e [ I'm not subscribed to this list, so please Cc: me. Thanks. ] Hello, there. I'm planning of packaging CMap files, provided by Adobe. They are located at ftp://ftp.oreilly.com/pub/examples/nutshell/ujip/adobe/ and packed into ac13.tar.Z ag13.tar.Z ai0.tar.Z aj14.tar.Z aj20.tar.Z ak12.tar.Z. Each tarball contains several CMap files, and the top of each of the files says: %%Copyright: ----------------------------------------------------------- %%Copyright: Copyright 1990-1998 Adobe Systems Incorporated. %%Copyright: All Rights Reserved. %%Copyright: %%Copyright: Patents Pending %%Copyright: %%Copyright: NOTICE: All information contained herein is the property %%Copyright: of Adobe Systems Incorporated. %%Copyright: %%Copyright: Permission is granted for redistribution of this file %%Copyright: provided this copyright notice is maintained intact and %%Copyright: that the contents of this file are not altered in any %%Copyright: way from its original form. %%Copyright: %%Copyright: PostScript and Display PostScript are trademarks of %%Copyright: Adobe Systems Incorporated which may be registered in %%Copyright: certain jurisdictions. %%Copyright: ----------------------------------------------------------- Now, is this license considered as redistributable in .deb style? And if so, is it DFSG-free? I wonder this license permits someone to USE the file... Regards, -- Yasuhiro TAKE / Debian Project "I'd just be the catcher in the rye and all." Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 14:02:28 +0000 (GMT) From: "Jimmy O'Regan" To: Yasuhiro TAKE Cc: debian-legal@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: LICENSE of Adobe CMap files. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-UIDL: 64c4dda49275fcc8a56fca94e6ccfc9d On Mon, 27 Nov 2000, Yasuhiro TAKE wrote: > Now, is this license considered as redistributable in .deb style? Well, it says "Permission is granted for redistribution of this file" so it seems safe to assume so. > And if so, is it DFSG-free? > No. %%Copyright: that the contents of this file are not altered in any %%Copyright: way from its original form. > I wonder this license permits someone to USE the file... I think that's implicit. Implicit mightn't be good enough though. > -- "The Information Superhighway made it possible for the average person to find out what some nerd thinks about Star Trek" http://lit.compsoc.com/ http://www.litsu.ie/ GPG Fingerprint: B6C4 9E2B C62F 1B05 FC0D F543 6800 67C7 FF5D 8291 Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 18:18:42 +0900 From: Yasuhiro TAKE To: "Jimmy O'Regan" Cc: Yasuhiro TAKE , debian-legal@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: LICENSE of Adobe CMap files. In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.3.0 (Roam) WEMIKO/1.14.0 (Zoomastigophora) FLIM/1.13.2 (Kasanui) APEL/10.2 Emacs/20.7 (i386-debian-linux-gnu) MULE/4.1 (AOI) MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by WEMIKO 1.14.0 - "Zoomastigophora") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Message-Id: Sender: ytake@phys2.med.osaka-u.ac.jp X-UIDL: 2a5ba61cd1d8a293be8aa3a043defef4 [ I'm not subscribed to this list, so please Cc: me. Thanks. ] At Mon, 27 Nov 2000 14:02:28 +0000 (GMT), Jimmy O'Regan wrote: > > I wonder this license permits someone to USE the file... > I think that's implicit. Implicit mightn't be good enough though. Thank you for the comment! Hmm, i think Adobe should change the license to at least explicitly permit the use of the files. I'd like to contact Adobe, but there's one problem. I'm not familiar to English. I've never write a businesslike mail. I don't know at all about the formula of official mails. Is there any volunteer who writes an e-mail to Adobe instead of me? Regards, -- Yasuhiro TAKE / Debian Project "I'd just be the catcher in the rye and all." Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 09:35:35 +0000 From: Edmund GRIMLEY EVANS To: Yasuhiro TAKE Subject: Re: LICENSE of Adobe CMap files. Message-ID: <20001128093535.A7879@daisy.vocalis.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.11i In-Reply-To: ; from take@debian.org on Tue, Nov 28, 2000 at 06:18:42PM +0900 X-UIDL: defdc46c00b6b0d6bbfd49fb32b1f272 > > > I wonder this license permits someone to USE the file... > > I think that's implicit. Implicit mightn't be good enough though. > > Thank you for the comment! Hmm, i think Adobe should change the license > to at least explicitly permit the use of the files. I'd like to contact Adobe, > but there's one problem. I'm not familiar to English. I've never write > a businesslike mail. I don't know at all about the formula of official mails. > Is there any volunteer who writes an e-mail to Adobe instead of me? Before wasting any time on that, find out why you might need permission to use the files. Which law in your country, or some other country, might prevent you from using the files without Adobe's permission? Adobe probably don't want to change the licence without a good reason. Edmund Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 19:56:51 +0900 From: Yasuhiro TAKE To: debian-legal@lists.debian.org Cc: Yasuhiro TAKE , Edmund GRIMLEY EVANS Subject: Re: LICENSE of Adobe CMap files. In-Reply-To: <20001128093535.A7879@daisy.vocalis.com> References: User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.3.0 (Roam) WEMIKO/1.14.0 (Zoomastigophora) FLIM/1.13.2 (Kasanui) APEL/10.2 Emacs/20.7 (i386-debian-linux-gnu) MULE/4.1 (AOI) MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by WEMIKO 1.14.0 - "Zoomastigophora") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Message-Id: <20001128195655O.ytake@phys2.med.osaka-u.ac.jp> Sender: ytake@phys2.med.osaka-u.ac.jp X-Dispatcher: imput version 20000228(IM140) Lines: 29 X-UIDL: e9a510965512e198c8b721df9354e24e [ I'm not subscribed to this list, so please Cc: me. Thanks. ] At Tue, 28 Nov 2000 09:35:35 +0000, Edmund GRIMLEY EVANS wrote: > Before wasting any time on that, find out why you might need > permission to use the files. Which law in your country, or some other > country, might prevent you from using the files without Adobe's > permission? Well, i've heard that according to the International Copyright Law(or something like that), nothing is permitted unless explicitly declared as permitted in a license. And debianizing and redistributing something that is not permitted to use sounds nonsense. BTW i've also heard that Japanese copyright law declares the use of something is not prevented even if the permittion to use is not mentioned. Only i'm interested in is not changing the license, but redistributing them through Debian (non-free, perhaps) ftp mirrors. If there's no problem about redistributing them, i'll go ahead. Regards, -- Yasuhiro TAKE / Debian Project "I'd just be the catcher in the rye and all." To: Yasuhiro TAKE Cc: debian-legal@lists.debian.org, Edmund GRIMLEY EVANS Subject: Re: LICENSE of Adobe CMap files. References: <20001128195655O.ytake@phys2.med.osaka-u.ac.jp> X-My-Web-page: http://www.diku.dk/students/makholm/ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Henning Makholm Date: 28 Nov 2000 15:25:30 +0100 In-Reply-To: Yasuhiro TAKE's message of Tue, 28 Nov 2000 19:56:51 +0900 Message-ID: Lines: 14 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 20.2 Sender: makholm@diku.dk X-UIDL: aeefcbf63f3673628d5a4f44ccfc182d Scripsit Yasuhiro TAKE > Well, i've heard that according to the International Copyright Law(or > something like that), nothing is permitted unless explicitly declared > as permitted in a license. This rule of thumb only holds for actions that are actually protected. Mere use of data is not protected and needs no permission (unless the particular use can *also* be construed copying, that is). -- Henning Makholm "However, the fact that the utterance by Epimenides of that false sentence could imply the existence of some Cretan who is not a liar is rather unsettling." Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 15:55:13 +0000 (GMT) From: "Jimmy O'Regan" To: Yasuhiro TAKE Subject: Re: LICENSE of Adobe CMap files. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-UIDL: 906ecdb66d96f3d26100e01843a79203 On Tue, 28 Nov 2000, Yasuhiro TAKE wrote: > [ I'm not subscribed to this list, so please Cc: me. Thanks. ] > > At Mon, 27 Nov 2000 14:02:28 +0000 (GMT), > Jimmy O'Regan wrote: > > > > I wonder this license permits someone to USE the file... > > I think that's implicit. Implicit mightn't be good enough though. > > Thank you for the comment! Hmm, i think Adobe should change the license > to at least explicitly permit the use of the files. I'd like to contact Adobe, > but there's one problem. I'm not familiar to English. I've never write > a businesslike mail. I don't know at all about the formula of official mails. > Is there any volunteer who writes an e-mail to Adobe instead of me? If you send me an e-mail address, I'll do it for you. > > Regards, > > -- > Yasuhiro TAKE / Debian Project > > "I'd just be the catcher in the rye and all." > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-legal-request@lists.debian.org > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmaster@lists.debian.org > -- "The Information Superhighway made it possible for the average person to find out what some nerd thinks about Star Trek" http://lit.compsoc.com/ http://www.litsu.ie/ GPG Fingerprint: B6C4 9E2B C62F 1B05 FC0D F543 6800 67C7 FF5D 8291 Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 22:12:16 +0900 From: Yasuhiro TAKE To: Henning Makholm Cc: Yasuhiro TAKE , debian-legal@lists.debian.org, Edmund GRIMLEY EVANS Subject: Re: LICENSE of Adobe CMap files. In-Reply-To: References: <20001128195655O.ytake@phys2.med.osaka-u.ac.jp> User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.3.0 (Roam) WEMIKO/1.14.0 (Zoomastigophora) FLIM/1.13.2 (Kasanui) APEL/10.2 Emacs/20.7 (i386-debian-linux-gnu) MULE/4.1 (AOI) MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by WEMIKO 1.14.0 - "Zoomastigophora") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Message-Id: <20001129221221L.ytake@phys2.med.osaka-u.ac.jp> Sender: ytake@phys2.med.osaka-u.ac.jp X-Dispatcher: imput version 20000228(IM140) Lines: 34 X-UIDL: 87542e1f9b4bf424f8598178fe8328af [ I'm not subscribed to this list, so please Cc: me. Thanks. ] At 28 Nov 2000 15:25:30 +0100, Henning Makholm wrote: > > Scripsit Yasuhiro TAKE > > > Well, i've heard that according to the International Copyright Law(or > > something like that), nothing is permitted unless explicitly declared > > as permitted in a license. > > This rule of thumb only holds for actions that are actually protected. > Mere use of data is not protected and needs no permission (unless the > particular use can *also* be construed copying, that is). Hmm. I see. Perhaps i was too much worried and suspective about the license. I'll announce ITP of cmap-files at debian-devel soon. If the ITP was rejected due to the license problem, At Tue, 28 Nov 2000 15:55:13 +0000 (GMT), Jimmy O'Regan wrote: > > Is there any volunteer who writes an e-mail to Adobe instead of me? > > If you send me an e-mail address, I'll do it for you. I'll ask you to write the e-mail instead of me in that case. Thanks to you all about the information and the offer. -- Yasuhiro TAKE / Debian Project "I'd just be the catcher in the rye and all."